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cc.pyro · Jun 05, 2005, 02:58 PM // 14:58

I really dislike this idea. Winning the HoH for your country or region should enstill pride, you and 7 other people have granted access to the underworld for thousands of people in your country. Whenever I see America win the HoH I say "Go America." If I saw "Followers of Balthazar have gained the favor of the gods" I wouldn't be proud, because that isn't something that unifies people. You don't know who these people are. But if America wins I can have a good cheer for America with my group.

And on the topic of racism, I really don't care. If they call me a Yankee or something insulting about our horrible foreign policy, I wouldn't care that much. I would probably say something about them or to them, but I sure wouldn't report it to ANet like a sissy-bitch who can't take an insult.

As I've said before I am almost certain that the Koreans do not whine when a fellow Korean insults an American or European. They probably pat eachother on the back and keep trhrowing the insults. God knows they don't report eachother for racist comments, so why do we? Koreans have stronger pride in their country than most Americans because we love to look out for the other guy. I could care less about the otther guy, what have they done for me lately?

In conclusion they are not going to implement this because it's not imortant and only those who like to cry about "racism" heavily support it. Oh, and for the record Korean is not a race it's a nationality, and there is nothing wrong with a little bit of Nationalism, as long as it doesn't become Facism.

ShotGunBunny · Jun 05, 2005, 04:36 PM // 16:36

From your point of view it's just perfect, what else could you want if America is holding the HoH half of the time (maybe more) but for Europe, it's very difficult to even get a decent group together because almost everyone wants to join a guild of their own nationality, putting good players right next to n00bs who just happened to be from the same country, which makes taking the HoH pretty difficult.

This deity idea could be used to balance the amount of favor everyone gets, namely for Europeans it's very difficult to do the favor related parts because we just can't get a decent amount of "good" players, only the large European guilds, which are bound to have a bunch of good players in their ranks, stand much of a chance in the HoH.

cc.pyro · Jun 05, 2005, 04:40 PM // 16:40

*shrugs* I haven't even bothered to go into the underworld yet. The day I got to the town *Europe* was holding the hall nearly all day. I don't think it is important at all.

Poppinjay · Jun 05, 2005, 10:57 PM // 22:57

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Originally Posted by Burem

That's a valid point. I also enjoy racist jokes (they're funny, admit it) and sometimes say things that sound racist but my friends know that the sentiment behind it is not as such.

<Equal oportunity offender.

You see, here is where I disagree.

It seems to me that once you understand the seriousness of racism and hate crimes, and the way minorities have been treated, that racists jokes simply aren't funny anymore. They are too closely linked to too many serious and painful facts.

There are of course degrees of how "insulting" a joke is, as well as to how hurtful it is. And there is no logical contradiction in the notion of a funny racist joke. But it seems to me that the more apalling one fines racism, the less funny such jokes will seem---usually at the level of "not at all funny".

And it isn't a lack of sense of humor, or being excessively politically correct. It is simply the the fact that people who are more sensitive and aware of the harmful effects of racism and its terrible history are less likely to see it a laughing matter.

Poppinjay

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Poppinjay · Jun 05, 2005, 11:18 PM // 23:18

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Originally Posted by cc.pyro

I really dislike this idea. Winning the HoH for your country or region should enstill pride, you and 7 other people have granted access to the underworld for thousands of people in your country. Whenever I see America win the HoH I say "Go America." If I saw "Followers of Balthazar have gained the favor of the gods" I wouldn't be proud, because that isn't something that unifies people. You don't know who these people are. But if America wins I can have a good cheer for America with my group.

What are you describing as "uniting" is really dividing. Patriotism is not a good thing. Patriotism is simply the belief that your country is better than all others because you happen to live there. There is no particular reason to be "proud" about where you happened to be born. After all, YOU had nothing to do with it.

Uniting for no better reason than "We are Xs, hooray!" is not just an affront to rational throught, it is dangerous. It is one of the many things that allows wars to start, and is always always involved in allowing them to last so long. Because as soon as you believe your group is special, the psychological response that follows is a sense of superiority for "being on the right team".

If you don't believe me all you have to do is look at how terrible sports are in this regard. People identify so much that they fight, sometimes even kill each other over the fact that they support different sports teams. RIOTS break out when things don't go your teams way. And even MORE riots break our when your patriotic celebrating gets out of hand when your team wins.

As a citizen of the United States I am proud of the things that we do right, so long as I have supported them and therefore have voted and contributed in some small way.

And I feel ashamed for the things we do wrong. And don't trick yourself into thinking that there are not a whole lot of things in this category.

And, while this might be deviating from the subject just slightly, I hate it when people assume that anybody who criticises anything about their country "hates america" or are a "blame america first" person. Real love for anything removes all the blinders. Real love acknowledges faults as well as celebrates virtures. Real love for ones country means trying to IMPROVE your country, not merely support anything it does, and anything it may ever do.

All this relates to the discussion in that this particular form of group-think---self identification with flags, figureheads, and names, is a very dangerous thing indeed, and has probably caused more suffering throughout mankinds history than just about any other manmade problem I can think of. Especially once you realize that religion uses and has used a big chunk of this type of reasoning to justify murder, torture, war, mass persecutions, the crushing of other cultures, and so on as well.

Poppinjay

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A11Eur0 · Jun 05, 2005, 11:59 PM // 23:59

I don't think favor of the gods should be taken away at all, seriously. It's unfair for PvE'ers who want to do Underworld but can't because their area doesn't have favor, and they can't do a damn thing about it. What about people who aren't even in guilds, who PUG everything? what do they get? A chance to hope and pray that their server has favor? This game fosters aggression, and it was readily apparent the other night where I was arguing with some ignorant punks saying "Koreans suck USA USA USA" BS spamming it in the local chat. World At War is stupid, it should never have happened.

Corwin_Andros · Jun 06, 2005, 01:39 AM // 01:39

I think I made mention of this on a thread a while back, but here is a basic rehash of the idea...

1. Quit breaking the world into only 3 pieces ( countries). There are enough people playing that they could easily subdivide into probably 10-12 aritificial regions .

2. GW is a RPG.. make the regions have genre type names with the only division or identifier perhaps being a primary suggested language or something and let people select a "country" by their own preference.

This approach would cut down on some of the nationalism and racism.. True it would be replaced by an artificial sense of nationalism of sorts, but better for Cats to be pissy with Dogs than what is happening now.

It'd be nice of by some chance we could get the "top" guilds into different areas too in order to diversify who has the HoH and Favor of the Gods.

Maybe these top guilds could even kind of talk and arrange things among themselves.. What better way to get bragging rights and get some serious fame than to have your selected "country" depend on your guild to win them favor as opposed to your guild and the other 5-10 that play along with you.

It might mke for some more intersting and less "realistically" hateful.
Well that's my 2 GP ..

kungfumonkey2 · Jun 07, 2005, 03:17 PM // 15:17

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Originally Posted by ShotGunBunny

I guess most of you here are American?
Because there is nothing less unified than Europe, in the game, and in RL, especialy now that Anet made seperate servers for each language.

The standard Euro player: only wants to join guilds of his own nationality
The standard <country name here> player: only wants to join parties or guild of his own nationality
The true nationalist: only joins, trades, speaks with people of his own nationalty.

The worst part is that in Europe you can clearly see where someone comes from by his language, although they'll have that in the Korean server too, i suppose.

Anyways, i think you should be assigned a deity when you create your char, so the amount of followers will all be equal, and you should not or only at a very high cost be able to change your deity, or else everyone will be changing when the favor of the gods is gained for a specific deity.

ps: @Evil.e + The Virago, can we just ignore each other in peace and drop off-topic posts?

Oops, after actualy taking the time to read evil.E's last post i concluded that he really is a moron and just came on this thread to throw a fight with someone and that he didn't and still doesn't have any intentions to read or contribute to this thread.

I was not refering to unity in people, but unity in geographical location. Why is it EUROPE not the Netherlands, or Germany? If you win ShotGunBunny you see "Europe wins the favor of the etc. etc...." Not the "Netherlands wins the favor....". I am just asking why should America/Korea be special? Why do I get my country, and you do not? I think it should be equal.

Massassi · Jun 07, 2005, 04:14 PM // 16:14

America includes both north and south, not the countries the continents. This includes but is not limited to Canada, U.S.A, Mexico, Chile, Columbia and Brazil. What about those countries, we each want our own set of ten servers for Anet to maintain and pay for too.

Goonter · Jun 07, 2005, 06:10 PM // 18:10

Well after its all said and done. What about deity vs. deity then? Is it possable to do? Would it present problems? Can it if fix some issues? Would it make the game more fun?